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July 09, 2007

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spinozista

You can be more specific and more telling. Apocalypse Now came out 4 years after the Vietnam war *ended*. (And The Deer Hunter and Coming Home both came out about the same time - well after the war was over.) In a sense, of course, Apocalypse Now was no more "about" the Vietnam war than 2001: A Space Odyssey was "about" NASA.

As others online have pointed out, what these people really want are the kinds of war movies that were made during World War II. Fat chance getting those.

I wonder if the guy you're citing remembers Over There (I think that was the title), the Iraq War TV series that was on FX a year or two ago and lasted only one season. Of course, IIRC, it took years, if not decades, to get a Vietnam War TV series, Tour of Duty, and it was fairly controversial when it first came on. It was not too bad, as I remember it, and it lasted for maybe 2-3 seasons, I think. Neither of these shows was what I would call particularly "antiwar," but neither of them was the sort of propaganda piece that the warboys want to see.

spinozista

You can be more specific and more telling. Apocalypse Now came out 4 years after the Vietnam war *ended*. (And The Deer Hunter and Coming Home both came out about the same time - well after the war was over.) In a sense, of course, Apocalypse Now was no more "about" the Vietnam war than 2001: A Space Odyssey was "about" NASA.

As others online have pointed out, what these people really want are the kinds of war movies that were made during World War II. Fat chance getting those.

I wonder if the guy you're citing remembers Over There (I think that was the title), the Iraq War TV series that was on FX a year or two ago and lasted only one season. Of course, IIRC, it took years, if not decades, to get a Vietnam War TV series, Tour of Duty, and it was fairly controversial when it first came on. It was not too bad, as I remember it, and it lasted for maybe 2-3 seasons, I think. Neither of these shows was what I would call particularly "antiwar," but neither of them was the sort of propaganda piece that the warboys want to see.

JimPortlandOR

Well, movie viewers tend to like being able to make sense of the plot and distinguish the good guys from the bad (sorta black and white). For that to happen the writers, producers, and directors have to understand what they are trying to say. Now their are exceptions - like the third Matrix movie, which no one I know was able to explain;.

But, lets assume some really gifted people came up with a script and were looking for money backing. And let's make me a fat, cigar smoking money cat, but with a genuine regard to making some money, not losing my ass financially. I will want to know who is going to actually want to pay real money here in the US and around the world to see some US in Iraq movie unless it is a dark ribald comedy. Those tend to be hard to make and and hard to predict success for. So, I say, no thanks. I'm betting on Transformers - and GM is a friend of mine.

My guess is that a Iraq War movie with the US as a major protaganist would piss off either 30% (the GOP true believers), 60% (the anti-Iraq war folks), or 90%+ (essentially everyone) of the viewers and non-viewers. Of such sentiments a money-making film is not made. It's not a question so much of honesty, but inability to think of a way to make money when so many will take their pre-existing passions into the process and just denounce it without ever seeing it. And the reviews.... oh my!

JohnTh

Presumably the Vietnam equivalent that the GOP guys are thinking of is 1968's 'The Green Berets' which was pretty simplistic and appeared at the height of the war, starring John Wayne. I don't think that there have been any Iraq war movies like that recently.

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